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Vodafone UK warns of dire consequences if forced to swap out Huawei kit

As the UK government comes under increased pressure to ban Huawei from its 5G networks, Vodafone has once more urged it to think of the operators.

In an interview with the FT, Vodafone UK CTO Scott Petty said “The UK’s leadership in 5G will be lost if mobile operators are forced to spend time and money replacing existing equipment.” While it’s a point well made, it’s not immediately obvious which aspect of the 5G world we are preeminent in.

Petty juxtaposed the stripping out of Huawei kit with developing the UK 5G industry, implying the two are mutually exclusive, and made further portentous comments about what’s at stake. There can be no doubt that being forced to rip and replace telecoms gear would be expensive and disruptive to UK operators, but by painting such a binary picture and inferring Vodafone will struggle to cope without Huawei, it seems unlikely that Petty has done his cause any favours with these comments.

They come on a day in which the US government put further pressure on the UK to pick a team in its fight with China. On top of that, Reuters reports that NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg decided to poke his nose into UK business by urging it to review the Huawei situation. Stoltenberg either didn’t know that one is already underway, or decided to try to justify his salary by making a completely redundant statement. Either way it was a bit of a waste of time.

A subsequent request for reaction from the Chinese foreign ministry elicited the wonderfully characteristic request that NATO should hold the correct opinion about China, which is that it doesn’t pose a threat to any country. Whether the residents of Hong Kong would share that view is another matter, but maybe they’re incorrect too.

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62 comments

  1. Avatar Saad 10/06/2020 @ 10:29 pm

    It’s just WMD (weapons of mass destruction ) part ii. First they destroyed an entire country , killing millions, on a false pretext and now they’re after a multinational company, which is nothing but challenging their presumed technological superiority, for an equally ludicrous excuse.

  2. Avatar Abdullah Siddique 11/06/2020 @ 1:16 am

    Is this a news article or opinion piece?

    • Scott Bicheno Scott Bicheno 11/06/2020 @ 10:22 am

      I report the news and then provide analysis. Two for the price of one – can’t say fairer than that.

      • Avatar PettyBeingPetty 11/06/2020 @ 11:06 am

        So it’s your “blog”

        • Scott Bicheno Scott Bicheno 11/06/2020 @ 11:09 am

          Call it what you want, son.

          • Avatar prateek 12/06/2020 @ 12:35 pm

            pretty good analysis

    • Avatar Telford 12/06/2020 @ 11:12 am

      Abdullah! Nokia and Ericsson better not get too advance or bigger than Apple! The US will also try to pull them down or tear them apart as they did to Toshiba and Alstom. The US play dirty if they can’t win. Germany is right to go ahead with 5G technology. The US is far behind in 5G so it’s trying to stop EU countries from installing Huawei 5G so US can catch up on EU. So, I remind EU countries – do you want to be more advance than US?

      • Avatar A Chan 12/06/2020 @ 12:53 pm

        Telford, you miss the point. Nokia and Ericsson are genuine private companies.

        In Mainland China under Xi Jinping, no company is genuinely ‘private’ anymore. As the PRC is not the most transparent country in the world, as the whole world has learned over the past few months, this raises more questions than answers. Better to stay away from Huawei than regret it in the future.

        • Avatar J 13/06/2020 @ 6:35 am

          The security issue about Huawei was investigated by many technical experts, nobody said it’s a real issue, so why you attack in this way? Don’t mix anything with politics, if you don’t like a political system, it’s okay, but don’t use that as a tool to attack anything from the country. You should travel inside the country to live a while, to get the real feeling. Politics is just politics, not everything.

          • Avatar A Chan 15/06/2020 @ 11:26 am

            I’m Chinese and I know very well how CCP works. No company in Mainland China is genuinely ‘private.’ CCP tells Huawei what to do and it will do it. Huawei operated 5G would be disastrous for UK and would potentially leave critical infrastructure open to attack.

  3. Avatar Prabhu 11/06/2020 @ 3:53 am

    Don’t want use China products

    • Avatar Telford 12/06/2020 @ 11:20 am

      I can understand u’re feeling inferior as a pariah! That’s when u can’t catch up with China, u’ld say such things. I know what’s called jealousy and envy! Instead of working with China to uplift poverty in India, u chose to be US lackey to confront China. Hey, when India fight China and both get destroyed, US will be laughing at your stupidity. US is just using India, understand? Don’t be to proud and happy! Pambuk!

      • Avatar Timothy Young 12/06/2020 @ 12:11 pm

        China has returned to it’s de-faco condition as a one man dictatorship.
        It’s treatment of muslims (I’m an atheist before you ask) and anyone who has a non state approved opinion is a huge blot on humanity as a whole.
        Add in it’s control of information to it’s people, cyber campaigns aimed at democracy and it’s aggressive posturing to weaker states and you’ve got a cold war already; Make no mistake, all of China’s choosing.
        Of course we should use their state back equipment within our key strategic industries. Any inclusion of it is utter madness.

        • Avatar Mike 12/06/2020 @ 1:03 pm

          Hey bro…. Look at the whole picture.. Wasnt Samsung and ZTE been recently put down and for what reason? They were competing for number one spot with apple… Wasnt Libya, Iraq, etc put down and invaded because of so called weapons of mass destruction? Any WMD found? Why is the world not asking for accountability? Did you knew that these countries got rid of US dollars as their trading currencies PRIOR to their being attacked? And so is what China has recently done by now being the first government in the world to use E currency gor tgeir RMB?? BRO it goes beyond jealousy….IT’S CALLED LOSING THE EDGE. All people are good bro. Everyone wants a happy familiy. Its the leaders and how they lead that we should observe.. Listen to the speech of the american president and compare that of Hitlers speech over galf a century ago.. Similarity??’ Divide and BLAME everything to a race while seeking dominance….. THE WORLD HAS SUFFERED because educated people were made to believe….

          • Avatar A Chan 12/06/2020 @ 1:22 pm

            “Bro,”

            Any chance of accountability from CCP on killing so many innocent Chinese people in Tiananmen Square Massacre or the Cultural Revolution? 40 million died in Cultural Revolution, CCP still rules Mainland China yet no apology or remorse shown.

            The West has free discussion of issues you mentioned and can hold those that committed wrongdoing accountable or vote them out of office. The CCP tolerates no discussion of Tiananmen Massacre, the Cultural Revolution whatsoever and nobody can be held accountable.

            Also, us Hong Kongers would like your CCP to stop taking away our freedom and actually live up to your word in the Sino British Joint Declaration.

          • Avatar Lozo 27/08/2020 @ 9:08 pm

            Somone who is in the know, rare in the age of media and technology sheep. It is not common knowledge in the West that those Middle Eastern countries put an agreement in place to only trade in their own currency, and put a stop to the grasp of the US banking and dollar monopoly. There is no point in argueing with people who have not travelled or gained local wisdom and/or feeling from other world peoples. Sadly you are wasting your breath. However take satisfaction in the fact that you know and havent succumbed to the media or flawed historical educational systems. Hats off to you.

  4. Avatar steven moses 11/06/2020 @ 11:04 am

    Fucking yanks. Trying take over the world again. Tell us brits choose a side. Fight your own wars.. Leave us out of it.. America needs Lee Harvey oswald. Get rid of trump now he’s destroying your country for his own gains. Get Obama back in control…. Nothing wrong with Huawei. Better than apple phones.

    • Avatar Emma Foster 11/06/2020 @ 12:26 pm

      Trump is bad, but he can be voted out. Xi Jinping cannot. Nothing the Chinese people can do about that. The CCP have tight control even over ‘private’ companies. Huawei 5G or even future 6G would be potentially catastrophic for UK security especially if there is little distinction between core and non core networks. Better be safe than sorry and do away with Huawei altogether.

    • Avatar Noneya Business 11/06/2020 @ 9:03 pm

      Clearly a Brit of the “not totally informed” variety. Thanks for sharing your democratic viewpoint.

      • Avatar Emma Foster 12/06/2020 @ 9:54 am

        No need to bring race into it. Sounds like you are a very sensitive 五毛.

        Under Xi Jinping, ‘private’ companies have suffered more interference from the CCP state to the extent that there is little evidence they can act truly independently. Even under Hu Jintao, private companies had at least some autonomy without CCP state interference.

    • Avatar Nicholas Radson 12/06/2020 @ 5:11 pm

      Trump is accusing China of using Huawei for covert spying. Just remind yourself that the USA sold Saddam’s Iraq a fully functional air defence system. What they did not divulge was that it was all booby trapped. On the first day of the war, it was remotely disabled by the US.

      • Avatar A Chan 15/06/2020 @ 11:30 am

        Why hasn’t CCP apologised for or allowed free discussion on Tiananmen Square Massacre and 40 million dead in Cultural Revolution yet?

  5. Avatar Jjericho 11/06/2020 @ 12:07 pm

    I’m all for Huawei, it’s here, it’s integrated with our system so we will use it. Just because America can’t size up to China by themselves they bully other countries to join them. Well jam that hype little orange man. I just hope china doesn’t rise the price cause other countries are backing out. Both countries will be fucked and so will and grumpy supporters on either side. Staying out of it is better. And Mr blog man, just cause you add a few facts doesn’t mean you’ve written a news article. You’ve just suger coated your opinion.

    • Scott Bicheno Scott Bicheno 11/06/2020 @ 12:11 pm

      “just cause you add a few facts doesn’t mean you’ve written a news article” – whatever you say, boss.

    • Avatar stephen 11/06/2020 @ 8:20 pm

      Huawei has been at the heart of our Comms infrastructure for years now, same with most of the world.

      America only now had issue with them is because they have no American companies in position to offer end to end 5g.

      The issue (for America) is 5g has the chance to end the wired network we rely on atm , the problem is America can now easedrop on the wired internet at will, they can’t spy on a 5g network they have no control over.

      This is the issue America and the security service have. Not that China could spy on us, but they (America/uk) won’t be able to spy on us.

  6. Avatar George 11/06/2020 @ 12:10 pm

    No one can stop the world/earth from revolving, business came from supply and demand, so is the global finance. It all comes out from mutual benefiting, not a single person can take full control.

    • Avatar Telford 12/06/2020 @ 11:30 am

      I agree with u, George! But there is a certain people from a certain country that would not let business be a free supply /demand. When it is in their favour like their big companies making profits from all other countries, they have no problem with that. But if another country, institution or company are better than them, they’ld bully and play dirty.

      • Avatar A Chan 12/06/2020 @ 12:31 pm

        Telford, you need to read up more on Mainland China’s foreign investment laws. The CCP has never allowed free market forces in Mainland China and never allowed fair competition. Western business have always been very heavily restricted by local investment laws on Mainland.

        On the other hand, UK before were naively very friendly to PRC investments. For example, the China Investment Corporation stake at Heathrow airport. I can’t see PRC allowing a UK firm to have a stake in Shanghai Pudong airport, for example.

        • Avatar J 13/06/2020 @ 6:13 am

          How about Tesla? They have a 100% controlled Gigaplant at Shanghai Pudong, and the investment in fact is from China, Musk even didn’t spend one cent.

          • Avatar A Chan 15/06/2020 @ 11:33 am

            Just one example in a country full of State Owned enterprises that don’t allow for free market competition in the Mainland market. Hardly a breakthrough is it?

  7. Avatar Tk 11/06/2020 @ 12:43 pm

    Only the idle countries will prefer to depend on China for all of their job instead of trying to be self reliant or searching an alternative knowing it very well how the immoral and expansionist Chinese are destroying the world’s economy for their gain.

  8. Avatar Alvin Wong 11/06/2020 @ 1:45 pm

    China is a new socialist country with adopted Chinese values of more than 6000 years of civilisation since the last ten years. Its not based on Marxism, but the essential socialism ideal with ancient Chinese values. Chinese values are derived from Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism. These values are harmony, equality, compassion, co-operation instead of war, eradicate poverty and benevolent government. Chinese value advocate business and trade, not war or conquering another country. If one ever visited China, one will understand and fall in love with China.

    • Avatar A Chan 11/06/2020 @ 2:40 pm

      The Chinese Communist Party is not the same as China, the place, or the Chinese people. Most people don’t have a problem with China itself or the Chinese people. The problem is with the CCP.

      The CCP is also far from being socialist. Under lockdown, Mainland Chinese individuals received very little help from the state financially. Big CCP State Owned companies, on the other hand, did.

      Taiwan and Hong Kong contain freedom loving Chinese people who escaped Mainland China precisely because of the CCP. Hong Kongers certainly don’t regard the CCP as being ‘peaceful.’ If people truly wish to appreciate the real China, they can go to Taiwan where Chinese traditions and culture are upheld and promoted without the censorship or repression of the CCP.

      • Avatar Alvin Wong 12/06/2020 @ 7:26 am

        CCP has done well for China by eliminating poverty in 40 years of reform. Now emerging world largest economy and never conquering or at war with any country as compare to US.

        • Avatar A Chan 12/06/2020 @ 9:46 am

          It was the CCP that plunged the Mainland Chinese people into poverty in the first place during the Cultural Revolution. 40 million Chinese citizens died needlessly because of the CCP. Still no apology. Tiananmen Square Massacre, also still no apology.

          If the CCP has done so ‘well,’ why did 17 out of 18 district councils in the November 2019 Hong Kong elections vote for anti CCP pro democracy parties? HK people strongly reject the CCP because we have a free media (for now until the CCP removes it) and we know the awful crimes they have committed.

          • Avatar Telford 12/06/2020 @ 11:40 am

            U wanna go.back on history? Go read up on UK’s atrocities on all the Commonwealth countries and China they invaded and colonised. See what they did to the locals and aborigines. They did that in the US too, killing the Red Indians. That’s almost a genocide.

          • Avatar Alvin Wong 12/06/2020 @ 4:09 pm

            Of course CCP made some mistakes in the past but relatively insignificant if compare to the British Opium War, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, American atomic bomb on Japanese, Germany, Italy, Austria, Russian and so on during the ww2.
            I live in a democratic society in South East Asia, but the CCP now is very different if compared to 40 years ago since Deng XiaoPeng era. And CCP still evolving and transforming to a modern and efficient leaders to serve China. Hong Kongers education system was based in colonial British text books that still perceived mainland China as backward and harsh regime, and you were brainwashed to hate mainland China. Actually China is transforming every month, not yearly into better and efficient system. Most Hong Kongers still live in the past, and think themselves as White people, look down on mainland Chinese.
            Why not let China under CCP to transform naturally, as any revolution will cost millions if lives and no guranteed that the country will success and many foreign forces will intervene. Now China is considered very successful, and the existing system work very well.

        • Avatar A Chan 12/06/2020 @ 4:17 pm

          “As any Revolution would cost millions of lives.” So you’re saying the Tiananmen Square Massacre that cost thousands of Chinese lives and the Cultural Revolution that cost 40 million lives is justified just to keep the CCP in power?!

          • Avatar Alvin Wong 12/06/2020 @ 7:10 pm

            If you want to discard CCP from China, its a revolution to overthrown, thus millions of Chinese may die in this civil war and mainland China may break into 5 countries. Then China may go backward for 50 years to rebuild again with no guaranteed that it will be a successful country.
            But for what? Now CCP is adapting, transforming itself and mainland China is prosperous. So, choose the path of TRANSFORMATION instead of REVOLUTION. No bloodshed or civil war. The word Communist is just a narrative that you and me perceived it negatively due to the British education background. The right word for CCP shall be Chinese Characteristic Party if one is not comfortable with the word Communist and after all, most of the dogmatic Marxism was replaced with Chinese Characteristics that make CCP and China so strong today.
            The Westerners perceive China and CCP are followers of the dogmatic Marxism or Stalinist ideologies, but its no longer the case. China is more open Capitalist than many Western countries today.

        • Avatar A Chan 12/06/2020 @ 8:26 pm

          Taiwan offers the ideal vision for the rest of China in the future. Open, democratic and accountable. They can speak their mind freely without worrying about losing their job even if they think the ‘wrong’ way politically against the governing party of the day.

          Mainland has gone backwards in opening up its economy under Xi. With Hu Jintao, private companies had more autonomy, but under Xi the influence from the CCP is much stronger. As the years go on under Xi, the CCP’s grip will be even tighter on business and society.

          Of course HKers ideally don’t want to be anyone’s colony, but we cherish our pre 1997 values from Britain. Now those values are being lost, we look to Taiwan as the ideal standard for governance, especially since President Tsai Ying Wen came to power.

          • Avatar Alvin Wong 13/06/2020 @ 12:51 am

            Hong Kong problems were inherited from the pre 1997 British colonials. Young people today unable to afford a decent space to live as the lands are monopolized by those tycoons. These tycoons benefited from the colonial British. Colonial British didnt care of those HK people.
            Pre 1997 HK prosperity was due to China open up. HK was the only transit trading spot to China. HK prosperity was due to economic activity of mainland China, not because of the British. What British values?
            Opium War colonial master values? British robbed the Chinese wealth through HK, so that jobless British citizens can enjoy social welfare and travel all over the world and meddle other countries affair.
            Wake up, HK brothers!

          • Avatar J 13/06/2020 @ 6:23 am

            Taiwan is good, but maybe not the best, Singapore is also very good too, but it has a different political system as Taiwan. And about democracy at Hongkong, suggest you watch the video about Dr. Lee Kuan Yew talked with last Hongkong british governer. Dr. Lee’s speech was cut on the TV program because he said the truth. If you appreciate British governing and freedom to speech, do you know any Hongkong governers were elected by votes in British governing? Any governors were HKers? The freedom at HK suddenly become so broad just several years before retuning to China, the freedom is not bad, but if people use freedom to fight each other, then the society will become a freedom – hell, not a freedom – kingdom. When I saw the HK protesters attacked anybody didn’t agree with them, even took fire on an old man, I can’t believe these are so called “heros”.

        • Avatar A Chan 13/06/2020 @ 1:22 pm

          Freedom of the press, rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly. These are our values HK inherited from Britain. The Opium wars were bad, but Britain apologised and we move on. CCP doesn’t have the guts to apologise for any of its wrongdoing.

          It’s naive for ethnic Chinese living in Malaysia or Singapore, for example, to commentate on HK affairs when many don’t have the personal experience of the hells of the Cultural Revolution. Most of our population in HK is made up of people escaping the CCP as refugees from those atrocities. Those experiences lived by our family members are still fresh and continue to shape our current political thinking and rejection of the CCP.

          It takes some context and personal experience to truly understand the situation HK finds itself in. You say the PRC has moved on economically, but this is the same government that committed those atrocities to some of our family members that aren’t even acknowledged, let alone apologised for. If people try to talk about them, they are hushed up, ostracised from society and potentially thrown in prison.

          Taiwan represents the real China for the future. A prosperous economy, yet open and democratic. Not the CCP.

          • Avatar Alvin Wong 13/06/2020 @ 10:17 pm

            British never apologized in the Opium War. Remember, Dogs and Chinese were not allowed in their clubs for 156 years. For 156 years, those freedoms were only for the White people in HK, local HK people only inherited that freedoms after HK hand over to China in 1997. But that freedoms are not the freedom to go against or overthrown the Central Government.
            I lived in China before, one enjoy more freedom in China than in Singapore and many Western countries, as long as you are not against social order or separatist movement. Today, mainland Chinese are enjoying much freedom, economic opportunities, high quality of life, good medical care. And you still living in the past, harbouring Cultural Revolution, Tiananmen incident and cold war mentality.

            Smart people will stay in HK and remained first class citizen to benefit from mainland China. Those who migrate to UK or Australia will be treated as second class citizen with very little opportunity for you. The business and economic activities are in HK and China, not in UK, US or Australia.

        • Avatar A Chan 14/06/2020 @ 11:02 am

          Chris Patten, our last British governor, has on many occasions been apologetic about the Opium Wars as have many other UK politicians. UK allows for self reflection on its past and there is open debate. CCP has never apologised for Tiananmen Massacre or Cultural Revolution to name just two of many atrocities. CCP don’t even express regret and mentions of wrongdoing are censored.

          You talk about holding onto the past when you hark on about it yourself. You CCP sympthasiers are willing to overlook the inconvenient truths of the mass killing of our own people in the Tiananmen Massacre and Cultural Revolution, yet selectively cherry pick the history you have grievances with.

          Millions of people migrated to HK during the Cultural Revolution. If you were a HKer, you would understand the memories of the Cultural Revolution are still very much relevant today. I personally know of family members on Mainland who died during those times. Don’t you dare try to dismiss their suffering.

          The CCP has been taking away our freedom ever since 1997. Yes, some of the early days of colonialism were dark and I am furious by the treatment of some early UK policies towards our people. But during the Cultural Revolution, the U.K. by allowing our people to migrate to HK, saved many people’s lives and gave them freedom, rule of law, freedom of worship away from the horrors of the CCP ruled Mainland. Now, that is changing. Many people fear for their jobs here if they speak out against CCP. It’s like the white terror from the Cultural Revolution all over again in 2020.

          Why do the family of Carrie Lam, HK’s Chief Executive, have UK passports? She has ‘renounced’ her UK citizenship, but she is still able to claim it back through her family. Most other HK officials’ families hold UK or Canadian passports. Xi Jinping’s daughter studied at Harvard and many other CCP officials families study abroad and hold foreign passports.

          If CCP rule is so great, why does most of the leadership have insurance policies through foreign passports? That’s how vulnerable and pathetic CCP leaders feel. They don’t even have the confidence for the future of the CCP governing the country that they have to have a foreign passport in their pocket just in case things turn nasty.

          Is living in Mainland China and studying at Mainland Chinese Universities not good enough for the CCP?

          • Avatar Alvin Wong 14/06/2020 @ 5:25 pm

            Ask Queen Elizabeth to apologized to the death of Chinese people during the Opium War and robbed of the HK wealth for 156 years. Also ask her to apologized for insulted Chinese as dog. Not Chris Pattern or other junior politicians.

        • Avatar A Chan 14/06/2020 @ 6:34 pm

          So why is it that HK’s Chief Executive’s husband Carrie Lam’s husband still lives in UK and enjoys full British citizenship if UK is so bad? Why does her son also live and work there too? If Mainland is so good, why don’t they go live there instead?

          Why did Xi Jinping’s daughter study at Harvard? Why do most HK and CCP officials’ family members hold foreign passports and send their kids to study overseas? Clearly the CCP is so insecure and vulnerable they have to have an escape route.

          Considerably more people died because of CCP during Cultural Revolution than WWII and Opium Wars combined. That’s the CCP killing more Chinese in peacetime than Chinese dying in war time at the hands of foreigners. A government that kills more of its own citizens in peace time than in foreign wars and still doesn’t acknowledge wrongdoing whatsoever is not only weird, but disgusting.

          Now, HK pro democracy protestors get called ‘cockroaches’ by CCP officials in Beijing and the HK Police, so I’m not sure what is better to get called. A dog is a man’s best friend, so I’d go with dog.

          Sure. And you write to Xi Jinping asking him to apologise for Cultural Revolution 40 million Chinese killings. See what happens to you laa.

          • Avatar Alvin Wong 15/06/2020 @ 3:53 am

            Haha,
            HK, China and SEA Chinese called this small fraction of protesters ‘cockraches’. The British called all Chinese ‘dog’. If the protesters prefer to be dog to UK or US, then make sure its a pet dog. But they still consider them as stray dog. The other Chinese consider themselves human (ren) and not barbarian (gwei lou).
            Carrie Lam n Xi families are free to study, live and enjoy themselves in US, UK or other part of the world and free to travel back. This shows that China is prosperous and free as long as one is not a separatist.
            Its US and UK make use these young students to go against the HKSAR and hated the mainland Chinese through schools textbook and influence from school teachers. The word Communist has negative perception in English education. Thus the word CCP is a negative narrative. Now, those poor young students are very frustrated, angry and may lead to depression or other psychology problems due to the hatred being instilled by the Four Members and Black Hand. Its very difficult to heal this depression due to prolong exposure.

            Its this manipulators destroy the future of this young students.

        • Avatar A Chan 15/06/2020 @ 10:49 am

          You’re not setting a very high standard by calling other Chinese ‘cockroaches.’ We are Chinese and no matter our political views, we should treat each other with respect.

          The CCP sets a very bad example by using this kind of language on the majority of HK people. 17 out of 18 district councils in HK voted for anti CCP pro democracy parties in November 2019. That is a landslide majority.

          So why didn’t Xi Jinping just send his daughter to Tsingua or Peking University? Are Mainland Chinese Universities not good enough even for the President of the PRC?!

          CCP and HK officials need foreign passports and send their kids overseas to study because they are so afraid of their own system and have little confidence in future of PRC.

          Take the disgraced CCP high ranking official Bo Xi Lai, for example. He and his wife Gu Kailai went to prison but sent their son Bo Guagua to study at Oxford. Now his parents are in prison in PRC, he is an immigrant living permanently in Canada.

          When HK leader Chief Executive Carrie Lam has fully destroyed HK and her CCP masters have dumped her, she will go crawling to the UK to re-apply for her British passport. It just shows how little confidence even the ‘leader’ of HK has that her husband and son are immigrants in the U.K. That’s the system the CCP has created that ex CCP and HK officials have to become immigrants in other countries. It’s weak and pathetic.

          So if Carrie Lam’s husband and son live and work in UK, I guess that makes them foreign ‘black hands’ interfering in HK affairs?!

      • Avatar Holy Spirit 12/06/2020 @ 10:17 am

        Your so right Chan, I believe the CCP are using the Chinese people by slave labor to undercut all other economies. With Covit 19 and trade the CCP are hoping to have control of the economic development in the World by crippling the economy of the Western World. Doing this will help the CCP by getting a better strength of military strategy. Cause the USA will have their military streched to thin to be able to control their dominant military strategy over the World. The USA will be forced to take what military stronghold they have in some places in the World to strengthen other places that will come underthreat. For example they may not be able to have the capability to stop China through economic and military strategies to stop China from threatening energy companies from mining in the South China Sea as China disputes other countries like Malaysia, Vietnam etc of ownership to some of the South China Sea. USA and Australian battleships are there now to stop the Chinese from obstructing mining exploration and fishing from other Asian interests. The CCP I believe use their people as pawns and don’t treat them equally as countries in the Western world do

        • Avatar Telford 12/06/2020 @ 11:47 am

          Talking like u know what u’re talking about. Mostly pick ups from biased western media. Writing this shows how ignorant u are. U don’t even know why China needs to control the South China sea. Give u a tip – US military bases n warships surrounding China. Got it, stup?

          • Avatar A Chan 12/06/2020 @ 12:13 pm

            Telford, it goes to show us Hong Kongers prefer British to the CCP. At least British gave us rule of law, free speech, free press. CCP only give Hong Kong big troubles and take away our freedom. You people sympathetic to CCP never admit wrongdoing.

            British and West apologies for their actions and usually learn from their mistakes. CCP only bring censorship and deny they have done anything wrong. The fact CCP can’t even allow open discussion of Tiananmen let alone apologies is shameful. For these reasons, us HKers do not respect and totally reject CCP.

  9. Avatar Joe Light 11/06/2020 @ 2:43 pm

    Please ask him (Vodafone UK CTO Scott Petty) to explain clearly if it’s infact dire consequences for him or for the company? As a person in charge of Technology he gets a ‘0’ if he can’t plan and execute a rip and replace of few thousand base stations in 3 years. Leave the dire consequences remarks for his boss, and just do your job.

  10. Avatar Alan Dowson 11/06/2020 @ 4:09 pm

    I have a Huawei phone and people got it ito their heads that 5G and this virus is linked together in which they are totally wrong 5G has nothing to do with this virus and I believe that’s why our government and Trump is just making up any excuse about China because of this virus they brought to the whole world

  11. Avatar Tim Sagar 11/06/2020 @ 4:11 pm

    This is purely a trade dispute and nothing to do with security. China is no more likely to attack Europe than Saddam Hussein was going to attack the UK with WMDs in 75 minutes. We should say that the proportion of Chinese Telecoms infrastructure in Europe should be limited to that of European Telecoms infrastructure in China. The more they buy from us the more we can buy from them. I’m just sorry we fell for the subsidised pricing to gain a competitive advantage. Two decades ago in France, there was an opposite number Chinese employee for every Frenchman. No way was that cost efficient. We’re paying for that now.

  12. Avatar Professor Peter Curwen 11/06/2020 @ 5:48 pm

    What a very rum set of comments. Personally, i read telecoms.com precisely because it combines hard facts with opinions. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don’t, but I am always keen to understand how someone else who is immersed in reporting on the telecoms sector interprets events. On the whole, I support the US response to the Huawei issue. It is true that Ericsson and Nokia have been awarded projects in China, but they are very much subsidiary players in the world’s largest market that is firmly controlled by the Chinese government. Meanwhile, Huawei has been massively subsidised to develop admittedly market-leading products that would be welcomed outside China. Because they have become embedded in so many LTE roll outs they will be costly to strip out and somewhat inferior products may need to be substituted. But when you consider how much value has been destroyed by Vodafone since it took over Mannesmann, it should not have troubled it to pay for Huawei’s removal. As it is, its share price is so depressed that it is screaming foul play.. I’m not impressed..

    • Scott Bicheno Scott Bicheno 12/06/2020 @ 9:51 am

      Cheers, Prof.

  13. Avatar stephen 11/06/2020 @ 8:21 pm

    Huawei has been at the heart of our Comms infrastructure for years now, same with most of the world.

    America only now had issue with them is because they have no American companies in position to offer end to end 5g.

    The issue (for America) is 5g has the chance to end the wired network we rely on atm , the problem is America can now easedrop on the wired internet at will, they can’t spy on a 5g network they have no control over.

    This is the issue America and the security service have. Not that China could spy on us, but they (America/uk) won’t be able to spy on us.

  14. Avatar Edmund O'Connell 12/06/2020 @ 3:02 pm

    It’s those “dire consequences” which are precisely why we are swapping out Huawei kit.
    Who in their right mind would want the CCP to dig their claws deeper into our flesh?

    • Avatar J 13/06/2020 @ 6:41 am

      Huawei is not CCP. But Google did ban software to be used as Huawei equipments because US government asked them to do. Did US government controll Google so you don’t want to use Google?

  15. Avatar John Harker 16/06/2020 @ 2:24 pm

    I have some bad news for countries trying to push Huawei out of their 5G build-outs in favour of Nokia or Ericsson.

    Huawei has made by far the largest contribution to 5G security recommendations. From 2016 through 2019, Huawei has submitted 1,609 5G security proposals and more than 1,800 security proposals to 3GPP security working group (SA3). This makes them the #1 contributor in security standards work.

    Both Ericsson and Nokia have massive R&D in China with 11,000 and 16,000 employees respectively. They both also have large manufacturing centres in China, constituting significant parts of their supply chain. Nokia Shanghai Bell Ltd is the company structure for operating in China and 50% of the company is owned by China and the CEO must be Chinese as per the partnership agreement.

    Vulnerabilities and compromises occur up and down the computing stack, 5G networks will not be inherently secure regardless of whether Huawei, Nokia or Ericsson builds out the networks. Unless governments deploy secure systems on top of 5G, national security will be at RISK.

  16. Avatar WKSUK 05/07/2020 @ 1:08 pm

    is Vodafone Marxist? Mannesmann was a German industrial conglomerate. Adorno Benjamin returned to Germany in August 1953 and was soon involved again in empirical research, combining quantitative and qualitative methods in the analysis of industrial relations for the Mannesmann Company. Mannesmann was taken over by the British telecommunications company Vodafone

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