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Ericsson wins some DT 5G RAN work, but what about Huawei?

Swedish kit vendor Ericsson has won at least part of the gig to deploy Deutsche Telekom’s 5G RAN and may end up doing the lot.

The Ericsson announcement speaks of ‘a new multi-year deal to deploy the service provider’s 5G Radio Access Network (RAN) across Germany,’ but makes no mention of what proportion of it. ‘According to the terms of the deal, several mobile sites will be upgraded to the latest 5G technology standard over the next few years,’ it continues to tease.

“We are pleased to have found a leading 5G supplier in Ericsson as a partner, who has also convinced us in the past in the modernization of our mobile access network,” said Claudia Nemat, Board Member for Innovation and Technology at DT. “After the reliable and on-time modernization, the bar for the 5G roll-out in the antenna network is naturally also high.”

DT has been catching some heat in Germany for its perceived over-reliance on Huawei as a kit vendor, so this announcement could be more significant than it seems on the surface. If no equivalent announcement from Huawei follows in the next few weeks then it may be safe to assume that DT is, at the very least, holding off on committing to the embattled Chinese vendor until German and EU politicians have got their ducks in a row on the matter.

In other DT news the operator has completed the rollout of its 5G -ready LTE -M network across Germany and is bringing its first commercial offers to the market. This marks the latest indication that NB-IoT has fallen out of fashion. DT has also teamed up with Orange, Singtel, and Telefónica to launch Go Ignite: 5G Open Call for Start-ups, which hopes to incubate clever ideas for making commercial use of 5G.

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29 comments

  1. Avatar Saad 22/07/2020 @ 3:32 pm

    Why do you have such vain hopes of rooting out huawei completely. It’s a wide world and certainly does not end with a few countries towing the line of the US administration. It’s nothing but a witch hunt on your part, or to be more precise WMD ( weapons of mass destruction) part ii. First you destroyed an entire country on a wrong pretext and now you are out to get a commercial company

    • Scott Bicheno Scott Bicheno 22/07/2020 @ 4:29 pm

      Did I?

    • Avatar Kike 22/07/2020 @ 5:07 pm

      Please who are you referring to? Be more specific. Huawei ain’t innocent, and so are hundreds of other corporations. It’s unfortunate it’s just their time to probably pay for some misdeeds or cos of the fact the country she’s affiliated to doesn’t care about international court rulings and respecting the boundaries and sovereignty of other nations or even international waters. We all know why Huawei has been chosen as the scapegoat. Let’s not hide the truth

    • Avatar Dr David Wong 22/07/2020 @ 9:43 pm

      Yes, because the CCP is demonised and always the victim. Apart from the fact it killed 40 million Chinese during the Cultural Revolution and thousands in the Tiananmen Square massacre. A Uighur Muslim genocide in a territory which shouldn’t even be in China and a government that accuses doctors of spreading ‘malicious rumours’ when they alerted the authorities of the virus in Wuhan. It’s very difficult to have respect for Beijing seeing as the same party that committed the above atrocities has been in power for 70 years.

      My family came from Mainland China originally and I would never go there again (not that I would be welcome there.) I truly believe the more countries that omit Huawei from their 5G networks, the better. 5G is a huge step up and to have a ‘company’ with such close links to the CCP bears enormous security risks. We’ve all seen how the pandemic has paralysed the globe, attacks on our telecom and digital networks would be catastrophic. It’s inevitable that Huawei has close links to the CCP, that’s the way things work on the Mainland. It’s an open secret. Huawei is also complicit with the genocide of the Uighur Muslims in ‘Xinjiang’ aiding the CCP put Uighurs in forced detainment with their technology. We must learn from the past, not let genocide happen and we must certainly not reward Huawei with 5G contracts.

      • Avatar ladakhchina 22/07/2020 @ 10:39 pm

        no!actualy you see china help so many country with virus and give the best quality mask.all the world need say big thank you to the china!nothing ever happen at the tiananmen square is just the nice place in the beijing.xinjiang is part of the china!uighur need learn chinese and learn how be good chinese person and love the govenment.actualy the govenment love and care them so much they put them in the special camp.uighur love it too they so happy and dance!germny need now listen to the beijing or they have big consequence.

      • Avatar Mahmoud ibrahim 23/07/2020 @ 8:31 am

        To talk about killing to make an state order and social peace all build empires’ history full of disasters. Chinese no exception… The rule of CCP legitimacy came from people need, to get rid from social destructive problems like drug addiction among tens of millions of Chinese population and the influence of foreigners on Chinese life… Japanese and western colonial countries…
        History told us roman empire was built on wars and blood, French empire, French revolution, American genocide of aborigines, slaves…etc..CCP was a need to save the existence of China… Now nearly all want to suppress the rise of China… Well it is a new long march if struggle for freedom and Chinese civilization

        • Avatar Dr David Wong 23/07/2020 @ 10:11 am

          Well, the CCP killed more people during the Cultural Revolution (40 million) than the number of Mainland Chinese killed during World War Two and Opium Wars put together. The real enemy of the Chinese people is not foreigners, it’s the CCP.

      • Avatar Cwong 23/07/2020 @ 9:36 am

        Obviously, you are not really from China. There are many proofs that there was no killing in Tiananmun. The deaths happened elsewhere where citizens, misled by the deliberate fake spread that students were killed in Tiananmum, attacked and confronted the army. China has not involved in any war during the past 50 years whereas US invaded many countries.

        • Avatar Steve 26/07/2020 @ 6:36 pm

          Probably you were not born yet at that time. People ,most of them, in the heart area of Beijing , witnesed the firings from the army infantry soldiers at protested crowds ( student and civilians). The tragedy at the night of June 4 was shown on BBC TV broadcating station.

        • Avatar papi 27/07/2020 @ 2:39 am

          there were killings, and from what i heard, it was western backed students killing troops

        • Avatar brandon apter 27/07/2020 @ 2:51 am

          david wong is unlikely to be even a real person. he looks like he is just copying and pasting generic psyops

      • Avatar minkado 23/07/2020 @ 9:43 am

        It is rather very naive to ditch your country of origin in preference of the west….needless asking you to do your research about the atrocities of the US and its allies across the globe in the past 70 years……do we need to be reminded that Apple, Google and Facebook are primary sources of data to the tens of spying agencies the US government uses to fight off treat and control the so call “free speech”? Why is Huawei’s so difficult for everyone to accept? Why is it so easy for people to buy into the US strategy to demonize its rivals? All this farce is a shadowy campaign to contain Huawei….but I can asure u of one thing. The Chinese will always have markets because a hand full of US colonies known as allies does not make up the entire world and besides China provides cheaper goods Nokia and Ericson can’t offer….emerging markets will always prefer Hwawei

    • Avatar Mike 23/07/2020 @ 10:30 am

      Why make so much of noise, if Ericsson has had the contract congrats them but just do your installation, collect your money and move on. Huawei will never die without being given the rollout plan in US, EU, Oceania and part of Asia.

      There are hundreds of countries already engaged Huawei tec to be their 5G AI portal and in China itself the contract is huge. In May itself overseas sales amount to 500 million USD being made by June and on to July the sales will hit billions.

      Experience on my part said that whether the rollout Ericsson equipments are up to average transmission standard we can’t comment now has to wait to see the results. In the past those Nokia, Ericsson, GE, Motorola hand sets are of poor quality especially the performance of the battery and the compact integrated circuit systems. Those quality sets are made in S. Korea Samsung, LG , Japan Sony and China Huawei, vivo, mi, oppo, honor, realme etc.

  2. Avatar Justice F 22/07/2020 @ 7:12 pm

    I guess its payback time for Huawei due to is exploitative approach and influence that gave them the massive traction in the past few years in the industry.

  3. Avatar John Cassavettes 22/07/2020 @ 7:34 pm

    Chickens are coming home to roost for Huawei.
    They have a history of:
    * corporate espionage (they copied from various Western vendors, incl. Cisco, Lucent and Tekelec)
    * bribes (they have bribed government officials; and employees at Telcos at ALL levels).
    * undercut competitors with low pricing that falls under the category of dumping. Being aggressive at a few deals doesn’t make you a dumper – doing this everywhere for years does!
    It would have been better if governments had been more aggressive in prosecuting Huawei’s misdeeds.
    It would have been better if Western companies had been more vocal and litigious regarding Huawei’s misdeeds.
    But alas, governments and Western companies “whored” themselves for the opportunity to sell into China.

    • Avatar minkado 23/07/2020 @ 9:58 am

      Man pls can you stop watching CNN and BBC? Thee is no successful nation in this world that does not carryout espionage. Huawei has beaten Apple squarely and all they can do is use the US government to help them….they can’t stand Huawei is competition…… By using politics we can see clearly that even the US telecoms can’t cope without their government. You can ask Tim Cook to tell you more….China is no angel….but tell me what about the Korean war, Vietnam, taking out Ghadaffi and trading Lybia into shreds, the Iraq sharade of WMD, presently the US in selling weapon systems through Lockheed and Northrup Grumman to Israel to continue its genocide and seizure of Palestinian lands with planes of annexation, propping up a brutal dictator in the name of a sultan in Saudi Arabia who still practices the sharia law and at the same!e time they are preaching to China about freedom of speech, propping up a junta call Asisi to !murder a democratically elected presided of Egypt Mohammed Morsi and finally assassinating him, declaring war on China in her own back yard by leading a PAC of wolves called allies, regime changes across the !middle east in the name of Arab spring, now u want to suffocate Iran because they resist you….you should do you research before supporting America in any thing they do. The world will be a fare and just place without America. Their hypocrisy and double stand is equal to none.

      • Avatar John Cassavettes 23/07/2020 @ 4:49 pm

        It would have been better for you to have stayed on topic.
        I posted a comment to Scott Bicheno’s article in Telecoms.com about DT awarding a 5G deal to Ericsson, and the implications of not awarding it to Huawei. I commented about why I thought Huawei is being targeted (due to past and current illegal and unethical behavior). I invite you to post your comments regarding Huawei and defend them if you like…let’s debate that! But bringing topics such as Israel, Gaddafi, or the Iraq war has no place here on Telecoms.com.
        Let’s be civil and not insulting…let’s argue the facts; offer opinions; and strive to be persuasive.
        Scott Bicheno – I bet you didn’t think you would have so many comments about Germans awarding a contract to Swedes.

        • Scott Bicheno Scott Bicheno 23/07/2020 @ 5:01 pm

          That was an epic tangent. With telecoms becoming such a political matter I’ve got used to it, John. Not a bad time to have my job.

  4. Avatar persius 23/07/2020 @ 8:23 am

    There’s serious mistrust of anything Chinese especially following the Corona virus pandemic. Countries are now more awake to how weak they’ve become since globalization gained momentum.
    I guess it’s time to slow down and do some assessment and China who seems to have profit most from global trade is taking the fall. Covid-19 outbreak from China hasn’t helped neither.
    CCP would have to be more open to the rest of the world in order for Chinese affiliated companies to grow in trade and commerce.

    Is the Beijing government been armtwisted? Time will tell

    • Avatar minkado 23/07/2020 @ 10:14 am

      If only you have the balls to talk about US the way you criticize China it would have been better…..everyone is outspoken when it’s China isn’t it? Because you buy into the US demonizing any country that questions their hegemony…. If I ask you to name the 5 worst countries you know, I can assure you that you will name China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela and Syria…..thats not because u even know why you are doing. You are just one of those naive fellow who can’t think independently on their own or ask critical questions…. Western propaganda has completely blinded you….base this in mind……America can use what ever tactics to demonize and make the world hate countries that resist their hegemony but it would have to accept it that China is going no where and Huawei will stay…….America can cut them off international markets for now with bullying……give Hwawei 10 yrs. They will produce their ow chips and America will have nothing to hold them again

      • Avatar Team. 23/07/2020 @ 1:34 pm

        We all know that most Americans multi media and companies share data with the US state departments. Do we punish Americans firms such as google,Facebook and others for this? We also know that many muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan die of US bombs. Do we say the US has committed genocide? Huawei case is simply geopolitical. Many countries follow the US blindly. Where are the proofs of data Huawei gave to the CCP? The Americans are afraid that China will soon overtake it ,so is doing all it can to destroy China.

        • Avatar brandon apter 27/07/2020 @ 2:46 am

          as opposed to america who censors the whole world every time they delete content from facebook, and youtube

    • Avatar brandon apter 27/07/2020 @ 2:49 am

      and theres trust in the west? the countries that mismanaged covid the most were western capitalist countries, with the most deaths per capita. its just pathetic that the world is so cowardly not to criticize the west’s handling of covid. china on the other hand, has some of the lowest death rates per capita. many of their big cities like guangzhou werent even affected by it. practically no western capitalist country can say that none of their major cities were affected. many western capitalist countries even told people not to wear masks and allowed covid to spread much worse than if a competent regime handle it.

  5. Avatar Mahmoud ibrahim 23/07/2020 @ 8:44 am

    I wonder why the west are talking now about CCP and Uighur cases.. Always they deal with China with CCP in power and uighur are just Mongolian who invaded Chinese territories long time ago…America, Britain and Europe in general destroyed Islamic States the last millennium and now they want defend the Islam in China, this is very funny and silly case..
    The Uighur issue is an ethnic case not religious one..Uighur terrorist danger must be destroyed in Xinjiang before it spread in the world under Islamic flag…just watch the Uighur terrorism in Syria… They genocide local peoples and push them to be refugees around the world… Uighur terrorism must be buried in China before it spread around the world to be new ISIS OR ALQAIDA , the secret American army

  6. Avatar Abhishek Nag 23/07/2020 @ 10:58 am

    Doesnt make a difference except citizens need choice. Competition brings value. China maybe making 5g parts with overworked workers but calling it human rights violation doesnt fit. The same money goes into helping muslim girls get an education and marry qualified grooms in china, huawei investment has enabled medical supplies to syria where shias are denied food by the same muslims. Keeping politics aside, huawei can look forward to africa, There is no 5g to visualize rampant corruption among african states

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